Comments on: U.S. and foreign hams not exempt from Bill 118 http://blog.rac.ca/?p=394 All about ham radio in Canada - Tous pour la radioamateur au Canada Sun, 12 May 2013 22:59:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Patrick http://blog.rac.ca/?p=394&cpage=1#comment-34486 Patrick Wed, 28 Mar 2012 05:52:10 +0000 http://racblog.wordpress.com/?p=394#comment-34486 What I thoroughly find stupid is in reading the ONTARIO REGULATION 366/09, under section 14, (1)http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/source/regs/english/2009/elaws_src_regs_r09366_e.htm, if the microphone stays in the holder and you reach over to push the PTT, *that* is legal... (Hmm.. a gooseneck?) and under (2) you *CAN* hold your hand to your head, your ear or your clothing to operate a PTT switch. Wow... that's not distracted... that's not taking the hands off the wheel... that's not increasing the likelihood of an accident by significant amounts! Oh and by the way, in (2), the part "or to transmit or receive voice communication on a two-way radio or a hand microphone or portable radio.", which does *NOT* expire in 2013 clearly states pressing a button on a hand microphone attached to a hand-held or portable radio, SO LONG AS IT IS ATTACHED TO YOUR CLOTHING is LEGAL!! Granted, I was planning on setting up a headset and having a PTT switch on the vehicle anyways, but then a bunch of jurisdictions ban headsets. You just can't win. I think the government should pony up some $ if they want us PRIVATE CITIZENS who are FEDERALLY LICENSED to let a PROVINCIAL authority whom we provide services to during emergencies AS A VOLUNTEER tell us we have 3 years to replace our gear since as far as I know, nobody makes a retrofit hands-free that works worth a bean. We aren't a municipality, we don't get government subsidies to upgrade our gear when things like this change, many of us are senior citizens on bare-bones budgets and so on. What I thoroughly find stupid is in reading the ONTARIO REGULATION 366/09, under section 14, (1)http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/source/regs/english/2009/elaws_src_regs_r09366_e.htm, if the microphone stays in the holder and you reach over to push the PTT, *that* is legal… (Hmm.. a gooseneck?) and under (2) you *CAN* hold your hand to your head, your ear or your clothing to operate a PTT switch. Wow… that’s not distracted… that’s not taking the hands off the wheel… that’s not increasing the likelihood of an accident by significant amounts!

Oh and by the way, in (2), the part “or to transmit or receive voice communication on a two-way radio or a hand microphone or portable radio.”, which does *NOT* expire in 2013 clearly states pressing a button on a hand microphone attached to a hand-held or portable radio, SO LONG AS IT IS ATTACHED TO YOUR CLOTHING is LEGAL!!

Granted, I was planning on setting up a headset and having a PTT switch on the vehicle anyways, but then a bunch of jurisdictions ban headsets. You just can’t win.

I think the government should pony up some $ if they want us PRIVATE CITIZENS who are FEDERALLY LICENSED to let a PROVINCIAL authority whom we provide services to during emergencies AS A VOLUNTEER tell us we have 3 years to replace our gear since as far as I know, nobody makes a retrofit hands-free that works worth a bean. We aren’t a municipality, we don’t get government subsidies to upgrade our gear when things like this change, many of us are senior citizens on bare-bones budgets and so on.

]]> By: Al http://blog.rac.ca/?p=394&cpage=1#comment-127 Al Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:30:36 +0000 http://racblog.wordpress.com/?p=394#comment-127 Some of you are misreading the regulation. First off municipal and/or provincial law cannot supersede federal law. Because Canada has a reciprical licensing agreement with the USA then by this agreement a US amateur has the same or equal license as a Canadian amateur. Thus an Amercian amateur would be included in exemption from all provincial legislation. <strong>(EDITOR'S NOTE: The information in VE7CM's posting is incorrect as far as the time-limited exemption from Bill 118 in Ontario. A telephone conversation with Ministry of Ontario staff reveals that the exemption only applies to Canadian amateurs. U.S. Amateurs operating under the reciprocal agreement in Ontario must operate in hands-mode.)</strong> Some of you are misreading the regulation. First off municipal and/or provincial law cannot supersede federal law.
Because Canada has a reciprical licensing agreement with the USA then by this agreement a US amateur has the same or equal license as a Canadian amateur. Thus an Amercian amateur would be included in exemption from all provincial legislation.

(EDITOR’S NOTE: The information in VE7CM’s posting is incorrect as far as the time-limited exemption from Bill 118 in Ontario. A telephone conversation with Ministry of Ontario staff reveals that the exemption only applies to Canadian amateurs. U.S. Amateurs operating under the reciprocal agreement in Ontario must operate in hands-mode.)

]]> By: dave http://blog.rac.ca/?p=394&cpage=1#comment-126 dave Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:29:43 +0000 http://racblog.wordpress.com/?p=394#comment-126 Regulatory Information Manager for ARRL notified and replied with thanks for this (confirmed) info and will do followup as well and notify their members about not being exempt for 3 years . Regulatory Information Manager for ARRL notified and replied with thanks for this (confirmed) info and will do followup as well and notify their members about not being exempt for 3 years .

]]> By: Tim VE3UO http://blog.rac.ca/?p=394&cpage=1#comment-125 Tim VE3UO Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:23:28 +0000 http://racblog.wordpress.com/?p=394#comment-125 U.S. and foreign amateurs can still operate their equipment while visiting Canada .. but now apparently not while driving a vehicle. U.S. and foreign amateurs can still operate their equipment while visiting Canada .. but now apparently not while driving a vehicle.

]]> By: Brian Dixon http://blog.rac.ca/?p=394&cpage=1#comment-124 Brian Dixon Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:41:07 +0000 http://racblog.wordpress.com/?p=394#comment-124 So Ontario now wants to over-ride international agreements as well! RIC-3 - Information on the Amateur Radio Service5. Reciprocal Operating Agreements and Arrangements 5.1 Convention between Canada and the United States of America The operation of amateur radio service equipment and stations in the territory of the other country is covered in Treaty Series 1952 No. 7 — Operation of Certain Radio Equipment or Stations, Convention between Canada and the United States of America. Visiting amateurs are not required to register or receive a permit before operating their amateur radio stations. Each amateur station shall indicate at least once during each contact with another station its geographical location as nearly as possible by city and state or city and province. The amateur station shall be operated in accordance with the laws and regulations of the country in which the station is temporarily located. anadian amateurs operating in the U.S. have the same privileges as they have in Canada, limited by U.S. band edges and mode restrictions in accordance with the Code of Federal Regulations(CFR), Title 47, Chapter I (FCC), Part 97, Amateur Radio Service. U.S. amateurs operating in Canada must abide by the Radiocommunication Regulations and Radiocommunication Information Circular 2, Standards for the Operation of Radio Stations in the Amateur Radio Service RIC-2). Those who are qualified to send and receive Morse code at a speed of at least 5 w.p.m. may operate in accordance with privileges accorded to holders of the Amateur Radio Operator Certificate with Basic, Morse code and Advanced Qualifications. U.S. amateurs who are not qualified to send and receive Morse code may operate in accordance with privileges accorded to holders of the Amateur Radio Operator Certificate with Basic Qualification. NB:The amateur station shall be operated in accordance with the laws and regulations of the country in which the station is temporarily located. Country....not Province. This gets more crazy all the time! 73, Brian VE3BHD So Ontario now wants to over-ride international agreements as well!

RIC-3 – Information on the Amateur Radio Service5. Reciprocal Operating Agreements and Arrangements

5.1 Convention between Canada and the United States of America
The operation of amateur radio service equipment and stations in the territory of the other country is covered in Treaty Series 1952 No. 7 — Operation of Certain Radio Equipment or Stations, Convention between Canada and the United States of America.

Visiting amateurs are not required to register or receive a permit before operating their amateur radio stations.

Each amateur station shall indicate at least once during each contact with another station its geographical location as nearly as possible by city and state or city and province.

The amateur station shall be operated in accordance with the laws and regulations of the country in which the station is temporarily located.

anadian amateurs operating in the U.S. have the same privileges as they have in Canada, limited by U.S. band edges and mode restrictions in accordance with the Code of Federal Regulations(CFR), Title 47, Chapter I (FCC), Part 97, Amateur Radio Service.

U.S. amateurs operating in Canada must abide by the Radiocommunication Regulations and Radiocommunication Information Circular 2, Standards for the Operation of Radio Stations in the Amateur Radio Service RIC-2). Those who are qualified to send and receive Morse code at a speed of at least 5 w.p.m. may operate in accordance with privileges accorded to holders of the Amateur Radio Operator Certificate with Basic, Morse code and Advanced Qualifications. U.S. amateurs who are not qualified to send and receive Morse code may operate in accordance with privileges accorded to holders of the Amateur Radio Operator Certificate with Basic Qualification.

NB:The amateur station shall be operated in accordance with the laws and regulations of the country in which the station is temporarily located.

Country….not Province.

This gets more crazy all the time!

73,
Brian
VE3BHD

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